then, of course, this year and next -- through the next ten years, we'll add $500 billion, creating in just medicaid unfunded liabilities because of the enormous shift to medicaid as a result of obama care $17 trillion, tom, in additional unfunded liabilities. what are we to do here? >> these are massive, massive entitlement expansions, both in medicaid, those are poor people who probably need it. you can argue about that. but these new expansions and the exchanges are huge amounts of subsidies that people way in the middle income stream, 62% of americans qualify for subsidies. >> in obama care. >> yes, obama care, 62% of americans, family of four, $94,000 in income gets a subsidy. it's crazy. >> never before imagined. >> i'm upset about the websi. i think it's a mess. but the bigger question is who should we subsidize. you can't subsidize 62% of americans for anything. eventually website will work, for better or worse this thing probably not going to be repealed. many of us wish we could start over. the bigger issue is these are massive new subsidies for a huge number of people. once